, while may be transliterated into "a" (same as <ə>) or "aa”. Click here to start a new topic. From Vangla it became Bangla and Bangala (under the Moghuls), before being Anglicised to Bengal by the British. I have to correct you in that the inherent vowel in Bengali is either /ɔ/ or /o/, but never /a/. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Henry_Holmes_Ingalls,_Jr. (Exceptions occur in prefixes such as pro-, ɔ-, or sɔ-.) Taken together, they mean "walking around" and "coming back" which essentially amounts to "wandering around". scores of volunteers help 'prep' the food. Having only the English,going back to Bengali(for me) (literally) "যদি আপনাদের কিছু না করার থাকে/বিনা প্রয়োজনে ,এইখানে কিছু করবেন না |Which sounds weird to my ears]. Consequently, when poor, hapless undergrads tried to find his office, they had a very hard time doing so, and would knock on the doors of the offices of professors that were next to Ingalls' office. Could it have Bengali or at least subcontinental origins? For example, whether ফ is "f" or "ph". It is a myth that "I'm not doing nothing" means something different from "I'm not doing anything". This is for the sake of completeness. A. Indeed.. Google throws up many instances of the phrase in English language contexts, and a Google Books search shows references going back to the thirties, including New York barber shop signs. Similarly, "berbelanja" means to go shopping, whereas "berbelanja-belanja" means the same as the English "window shopping"–going from store to store with no particular goal. Because state-standard tests are supposed to measure actual learning, 'prep' courses teach substance over strategy. Then relying on charts from Omniglot and Wikipedia, you can follow along for yourself if you wish to do so (fortunately, the lettering on the sign is clear and distinct). 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English to Bengali Dictionary prep: prep ... not to mention the 'prep' So if the man in your life regularly appears with bits of toilet paper stuck to his face, look for one of the dozens of pre-shave products that will 'prep' the beard and the skin. Grotesque definition is - a style of decorative art characterized by fanciful or fantastic human and animal forms often interwoven with foliage or similar figures that may distort the natural into absurdity, ugliness, or caricature. Here's how you say it. প্র: prep meaning in bengali. I know I might be blasted for saying this and that it is a can of worms, but I would sincerely be interested in an answer. One of the very best New York Magazine Competitions called for such poems. And, here they are: Part 1: Header First of all, you need to write down your information such as your full name and your address. It makes perfect sense to me in a kind of Yogi Berra way. This convention also explains why is sometimes transliterated “ā” or “aa”, despite there being only one a-sound in Bengali. If the same sign were in a monolingual environment it probably wouldn't be taken too seriously. Thanks for the information on the double-dactyllic poem. Perhaps this is due to the fact that there is no normative or standard transliteration for Bengali in English (I really don't know if there is or isn't). ‘We also made it clear that we would not be mentioning the artists by name and only used pseudonyms when dealing with the press.’ ‘As you may have noticed, I did not mention by name the venue in question for fear of legal action.’ ‘She does not want to mention anyone by name, but says she had support in everything she had to deal with.’ Here are some of the translations I received from the experts: 1. It has turned into the largest Bengali dictionary (in 3 volumes, more than 3200 pages) and first ever Bengali dictionary on historical principle. A conditional mandate like 'If you have no business here, move on' seems no harsher. Michael, does that assuage your understandable discomfort any? And then, you need to mention the recipient’s name. Because, the 'hawai chappal' is not just any footwear, it is an effective weapon that can be used to chase anybody away, if the situation demands. Please don't do nothing here: a Bengali conundrum, http://www.geetabitan.com/lyrics/P/phule-phule-dhole-dhole.html, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_H._H._Ingalls,_Sr, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Henry_Holmes_Ingalls,_Jr, Everything You Know About English Is Wrong. Correlating Bengali story titles and Hindi episodes. A. There's a poetic form based on these: the "double dactyl" poem. ", Slightly edited from D.C. Phillott, Hindustani Manual (1918): As you can see, Acknowledgement Letter Meaning in Bengali The Hindi Imbroglio Videshi has some parts that you need to include when you write the letter. In jiggery pokery the vowel is changed. Find more similar words at wordhippo.com! . the word repetition device: Hindi has this too, and the folklore I heard as a kid was that this was borrowed from Punjabi. Without it being necessary, don't loiter / run around 'n stuff [here]) had tried to take the sections of the sentence and tried to translate them individually,while (in my case),when I heard that this sign was in a government office,translated it accordingly.But only the first part of the sentence " bina prayojane" has been translated well. you can't get there from here When I compose, first I think about a piece for a long time and do a lot of 'prep' work. English to Bengali Dictionary prep: prep ... not to mention the 'prep' So if the man in your life regularly appears with bits of toilet paper stuck to his face, look for one of the dozens of pre-shave products that will 'prep' the beard and the skin. In this dictionary we gave the origin of each word, and then traced the first use of the word in written texts, with the extract, author and year. Any special circumstances or is that true the world over? Worldwide, there are 20-25 crore speakers of Bangla. How does the brain search for these four-syllable and six-syllable echoic words in its memory, in any language? ), An American would probably say, "I am not doing anything. This is a prodigious contribution to the history of the Bengali language. My reaction to such a sign would not be to conclude that I should leave if I have no official business. It reminds me somehow of the sign in this post. I've used higgledy piggledy but didn't recall it just then. How to use grotesque in a sentence. Afterwards, we tried to trace the changes of the word in form and meaning throughout centuries (until 1972). I have heard the joke you mentioned too: the other features of Hindi that I have Bangla speakers joke about are the somewhat idiosyncratic gender assignments to everyday objects and the corresponding markings on verbs and possessives. Ingalls' office was located deep within the bowels of Widener Library. @Victor Mair: ]. No doubt the formation of such a compound is similar in many respect to that of the echo words, but it is not precisely the same, since in an echo word the second half is just a repetition of the first word with the initial consonant changed, and the second half does not have a meaning. But there's certainly room in the article to mention the origin of the name Bengal - related to Vang and Vanga, and also to Vangala/Bangala. amber definition: 1. a hard, transparent, yellowish-brown substance that was formed in ancient times from resin (= a…. If you let it go much longer than that, you'll need more preparation work, and 'prep' is the hardest part of the job! They don't have to do nothing. "In words which end in a conjunct consonant + inherent vowel, the inherent vowel is always pronounced o. Only remembered hickory dickory. It makes perfect sense to me in a kind of Yogi Berra way. It means more like "and stuff like that." Q. OK, then how do Finns begin a joke? And, here they are: Part 1: Header First of all, you need to write down your information such as your full name and your address. For example, whether ফ is ‘f’ or ‘ph’.”. A. How do Swedes begin a joke? same in Hindi), proyojone= necessary, korben na = "you will not do" as a polite imperative, and ghurafera is more interesting. He would probably reply: "I am doing nothing." Not to mention that viewers turned up in hordes, everytime a Feluda film released. He was independently wealthy (owner of the historic Homestead Hotel in Virginia [see below for more details]). Also Nepali has that repetition but it lacks the disparaging connotations of Yiddish. [LATE UPDATE 1/21/14:  Two native speakers disagree with this explanation of ghuraphera. I ask him if he can give me some idea what kind of look he's hoping for, so I can do some 'prep' in advance. A H.S. Contextual translation of "too many to mention" into Tagalog. 'Do not loiter' and 'no trespassing' both are blunt and seem to imply a miscreancy. @Victor: That may well be. Now, to tackle the Bengali. Having asked many people to explain it, none of whom could, it still doesn't unravel satisfactorily in my mind. – Waiting for a friend As mentioned, phera here is a completely different independent word, with a meaning of its own. The native idiom, however, would be (Main) aise hi baitha hun ("I'm just seated like this." Septentrionalis 03:01, 7 May 2006 (UTC) ! http://www.geetabitan.com/lyrics/P/phule-phule-dhole-dhole.html (The lyrics,for those who are interested). When grading student papers, I have often wished English could do this, particularly with the verb "to write.". Q. The lawyer in me quibbles with Victor's aside about the mandatory always being softer than the prohibitory. Bengali like other Indic scripts is an abugida, each consonant symbol having an inherent vowel. Although certainly can often be transliterated [a] because the inherent vowel corresponds to such in other Indic languages, as mentioned earlier. I consider myself a Bengali. Filed by Victor Mair under Alphabets, Found in translation, Lost in translation, Transcription. Would anyone be bold enough as to give some observations on the colloquial language with respect to a "standard"? On a lighter note, there is a common joke among Hindi speakers that builds upon this phenomenon: it says that you can produce a passable imitation of Bengali by substituting all instances of the schwa in normal Hindi speech with /o/. Now all your 'prep' work is done, and you can show off. Grotesque definition is - a style of decorative art characterized by fanciful or fantastic human and animal forms often interwoven with foliage or similar figures that may distort the natural into absurdity, ugliness, or caricature. Twenty-four friends joined the cooking party, during which they donned aprons and tested their skills at kitchen 'prep' work for a four-course Chinese dinner. – Eating It's funny that y'all have got such a joke about Bengali speakers, given that we have the opposite – the joke among Bengali speakers is that you can fake Hindi by substituting the inherent vowel with /ə/ and adding "hai" at the end of the sentence (Bengali has for the most part no present copula, but Hindi does). The Bengali mindset would seem to take for granted that people would be busy and actively accomplishing tasks (ghura) and not doing nothing, so rather than asking them to not just twiddle their thumbs there, they are saying, don't be busy here. Isn't the orthography unambiguous about which is which? "you can fake Hindi by substituting the inherent vowel with /ə/ and adding "hai" at the end of the sentence (Bengali has for the most part no present copula, but Hindi does)." @Julie lee: no failure of logic or grammar (but the grammar in question is non-standard, though widespread). Regarding Leopold Eisenlohr's explanation of "Ghuraphera": Shower is chaan, so chaan-taan is "showering and doing all the other bathroom stuff like shaving etc;" packing-tacking means "packing and all the other stuff you do when you're getting ready to go on a trip. So this suggests that Canadian English is much more closely related to Hindi than we realised, eh? “But I suspect that the differences in some cases may be due to dialectal and even idiolectal variation. Telling people not to do nothing is not the same as telling them to do something. I’ve lived in Kolkata atleast for the first 20 years of my life. Seriously, you need to trust this person to get you the right car, 'prep' it and make sure it's all ready in time when you expect it. This will be my last quiet week at work before the February students return and the new 'prep' students start. The 'Bengali problem' had already arisen in 1947, when the ruling elite found it hard to digest Bengali majority. Phonetically, the /b/s are [b~β] while the /pʰ/s are [pʰ~ɸ]. @David Fried: I've heard similar constructions in Persian. Your 'prep' work is done a day in advance, and all in under 15 minutes - and that long only if you're slow with the chopping. Awesome, thanks! Human translations with examples: beg gang, hindi pa kasali, maraming nabanggit, maraming nag tangka. Why not enrich the English dictionary with some Bengali? She gives me another nod, of considered acceptance, and I chalk up a score for advance 'prep' . Ghura means to go around, spin around, as you would say for somebody running errands all over the neighborhood or something. I was thinking of echoes where only the first consonant is changed. (Coming from another native speaker): This page was proposed for deletion by an editor in the past. 3: and probably most Indian languages, but I can only speak personally for these two, The English version has a kind of exotic-quaint charm. Needless to say, my Bengali speaking fans are not amongst its biggest fans. 3. Perhaps this is due to the fact that there is no normative or standard transliteration for Bengali in English (I … It is not exactly the same in Persian, but might be close to a sentence which you might find in some shops in Iran (not very common recently; old usage). Here is Murshid’s email contact: ghulammurshid@aol.com . To another European friend also, whose name I am not permitted to mention, I am much indebted. [Thanks to George Cardona, Leopold Eisenlohr, Prasenjit Dey, Tansen Sen, Saroj Kumar Chaudhuri, Sunny Jhutti / Singh, Abdullah Mahmud, Philip Lutgendorf, and Fred Smith]. The 4th and 8th lines are truncated–instead of long-short-short-long-short-short they're long-short-short-long. One: cultural terms like abhisar and abhiman, used to such rich effect in … Ingalls' son, incidentally, is Daniel H. H. Ingalls, Jr., a famous computer programmer; very different kind of work from that of his father! This is delightful! Also, razzle dazzle. Oh, I see that David Fried and others have already pointed this out. The Bengali version actually helps it because it orients the anglophone reader that the humor is probably uninentional. Bengali speaker here. It's hard to tell the difference in pronunciation between all three, since there's no real length difference. "Anybody can be a baby face, what we call a clean wrestler. Also, @michael farris: I'm not sure why you assume the humour is probably unintentional; I assure you Bengalis are quite capable of making this kind of joke in English. First of all, I was surprised by the variety of transliterations (not to mention translations) that I received from native Bengali speakers and Indologists. There was this Norwegian…. And then, you need to mention the recipient’s name. The other translations sound like awkward paraphrases of the perfect way of this pithy saying. And then, you need to mention the recipient’s name. Synonym Discussion of grotesque. Why not enrich the English dictionary with some Bengali? As in "why is a cheese sandwich better than eternal bliss? In English, there's also helter skelter, holy moley, itsy bitsy, teensy weensy, hotsy totsy, hurly burly…. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_H._H._Ingalls,_Sr. faculty at Rajshahi U., now resident in London a few decades already, about his and his team’s new diachronic dictionary. 1: ignoring <ঋ>, which is traditionally considered a vowel but is pronounced /ɾi/, the diphthongs <ঐ> and <ঔ>, and <ৠ>, <ঌ>, and <ৡ>, which don’t exist outside the abecedary. (By a native speaker of Bengali): Ghuraphera is not exactly analogous to the "echo word" "chan tan". Thus the word for hot is pronounced 'gɔrom', not 'gorɔm'. Are there archaic constructions preserved in colloquial speech that an average person would not be expected to know (maybe something like how some people don't realize the phrase "til death do us part" means "until death parts us" using an old subjunctive form of "do")? The grapheme স donto shô "dental s", however, does retain the voiceless alveolar fricative [s] sound when used as the first component in certain consonant conjuncts as in স্খলন [skʰɔlon] "fall", স্পন্দন [spɔndon] "beat", etc. Also, @Naid Ahmed,that is just one of the problems students face in Bengali spelling. Bengali is the sixth most-spoken language in the world, with nearly a quarter of a billion speakers. And then, you need to mention the recipient’s name. @Victor Mair,Professor Ingalls' example reminds me of the term "neti,neti"(not this,not this) used by Vedantins of Sankara's school. I can see how that would be implied, but it's interesting that (in a culturo-linguistic way) we alngo-speakers almost need to the word "here" or it would sound more like a proverb than a prohibition. the lasagne I usually make takes an hour of cooking time, not to mention the 'prep'. Thanks for the correction. Bum: "I'm not doin' nothin' here.". They are looking for volunteers to help 'prep' the store and run the membership table. A copy of this dictionary will be presented to the PM tomorrow, and I came to Bangladesh on Wednesday to do it, in a ceremony (organised by the Bangla Academy). Would be grateful if any person knowing Bengali can do it for everybody's benefit. (I'm not sure why no one's acknowledged Mr. Chakrabarti's correction so far, since he says he is a native speaker as well.). My (completely amateur) impression is that this is something like the schwa-deletion in Hindi, and as in that case, there are no simple rules for deciding when to use any one of the options (I have a suspicion the precise choices might also depend upon which dialect of Bangla is being spoken). I think it's gone now, but for some years there was a sign on a certain door in the Health Sciences complex of my university which said: "if you aren't going here Regarding the construction with a word repeated with a different starting consonant, what about hanky panky? I will give several of the transliterations for the sake of comparison. The states four neighbouring West Bengal are Bihar (where the majority of people speak Maithili, Angika, Magadhi or Bhojpuri as their native language), Jharkhand (where they speak Hindi, Maithili and Santali), Odisha (where they speak Oria) and Sikkim (where they speak Sikkimese and Lepcha). pʃi : cat, pʃi-mʃi : stupid cats! to 'prep' for his role he trimmed his unruly locks. In Sanskrit the default vowel is a short a (schwa) but in Bengali it's o most of the time. Please transliterate and translate توقف بیجا مانع کسب است. 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Having only the English,going back to Bengali(for me) (literally) "যদি আপনাদের কিছু না করার থাকে/বিনা প্রয়োজনে ,এইখানে কিছু করবেন না |Which sounds weird to my ears]. Consequently, when poor, hapless undergrads tried to find his office, they had a very hard time doing so, and would knock on the doors of the offices of professors that were next to Ingalls' office. Could it have Bengali or at least subcontinental origins? For example, whether ফ is "f" or "ph". It is a myth that "I'm not doing nothing" means something different from "I'm not doing anything". This is for the sake of completeness. A. Indeed.. Google throws up many instances of the phrase in English language contexts, and a Google Books search shows references going back to the thirties, including New York barber shop signs. Similarly, "berbelanja" means to go shopping, whereas "berbelanja-belanja" means the same as the English "window shopping"–going from store to store with no particular goal. Because state-standard tests are supposed to measure actual learning, 'prep' courses teach substance over strategy. Then relying on charts from Omniglot and Wikipedia, you can follow along for yourself if you wish to do so (fortunately, the lettering on the sign is clear and distinct). 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English to Bengali Dictionary prep: prep ... not to mention the 'prep' So if the man in your life regularly appears with bits of toilet paper stuck to his face, look for one of the dozens of pre-shave products that will 'prep' the beard and the skin. Grotesque definition is - a style of decorative art characterized by fanciful or fantastic human and animal forms often interwoven with foliage or similar figures that may distort the natural into absurdity, ugliness, or caricature. Here's how you say it. প্র: prep meaning in bengali. I know I might be blasted for saying this and that it is a can of worms, but I would sincerely be interested in an answer. One of the very best New York Magazine Competitions called for such poems. And, here they are: Part 1: Header First of all, you need to write down your information such as your full name and your address. It makes perfect sense to me in a kind of Yogi Berra way. This convention also explains why is sometimes transliterated “ā” or “aa”, despite there being only one a-sound in Bengali. If the same sign were in a monolingual environment it probably wouldn't be taken too seriously. Thanks for the information on the double-dactyllic poem. Perhaps this is due to the fact that there is no normative or standard transliteration for Bengali in English (I really don't know if there is or isn't). ‘We also made it clear that we would not be mentioning the artists by name and only used pseudonyms when dealing with the press.’ ‘As you may have noticed, I did not mention by name the venue in question for fear of legal action.’ ‘She does not want to mention anyone by name, but says she had support in everything she had to deal with.’ Here are some of the translations I received from the experts: 1. It has turned into the largest Bengali dictionary (in 3 volumes, more than 3200 pages) and first ever Bengali dictionary on historical principle. A conditional mandate like 'If you have no business here, move on' seems no harsher. Michael, does that assuage your understandable discomfort any? And then, you need to mention the recipient’s name. Because, the 'hawai chappal' is not just any footwear, it is an effective weapon that can be used to chase anybody away, if the situation demands. Please don't do nothing here: a Bengali conundrum, http://www.geetabitan.com/lyrics/P/phule-phule-dhole-dhole.html, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_H._H._Ingalls,_Sr, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Henry_Holmes_Ingalls,_Jr, Everything You Know About English Is Wrong. Correlating Bengali story titles and Hindi episodes. A. There's a poetic form based on these: the "double dactyl" poem. ", Slightly edited from D.C. Phillott, Hindustani Manual (1918): As you can see, Acknowledgement Letter Meaning in Bengali The Hindi Imbroglio Videshi has some parts that you need to include when you write the letter. In jiggery pokery the vowel is changed. Find more similar words at wordhippo.com! . the word repetition device: Hindi has this too, and the folklore I heard as a kid was that this was borrowed from Punjabi. Without it being necessary, don't loiter / run around 'n stuff [here]) had tried to take the sections of the sentence and tried to translate them individually,while (in my case),when I heard that this sign was in a government office,translated it accordingly.But only the first part of the sentence " bina prayojane" has been translated well. you can't get there from here When I compose, first I think about a piece for a long time and do a lot of 'prep' work. English to Bengali Dictionary prep: prep ... not to mention the 'prep' So if the man in your life regularly appears with bits of toilet paper stuck to his face, look for one of the dozens of pre-shave products that will 'prep' the beard and the skin. In this dictionary we gave the origin of each word, and then traced the first use of the word in written texts, with the extract, author and year. Any special circumstances or is that true the world over? Worldwide, there are 20-25 crore speakers of Bangla. How does the brain search for these four-syllable and six-syllable echoic words in its memory, in any language? ), An American would probably say, "I am not doing anything. This is a prodigious contribution to the history of the Bengali language. My reaction to such a sign would not be to conclude that I should leave if I have no official business. It reminds me somehow of the sign in this post. I've used higgledy piggledy but didn't recall it just then. How to use grotesque in a sentence. Afterwards, we tried to trace the changes of the word in form and meaning throughout centuries (until 1972). I have heard the joke you mentioned too: the other features of Hindi that I have Bangla speakers joke about are the somewhat idiosyncratic gender assignments to everyday objects and the corresponding markings on verbs and possessives. Ingalls' office was located deep within the bowels of Widener Library. @Victor Mair: ]. No doubt the formation of such a compound is similar in many respect to that of the echo words, but it is not precisely the same, since in an echo word the second half is just a repetition of the first word with the initial consonant changed, and the second half does not have a meaning. But there's certainly room in the article to mention the origin of the name Bengal - related to Vang and Vanga, and also to Vangala/Bangala. amber definition: 1. a hard, transparent, yellowish-brown substance that was formed in ancient times from resin (= a…. If you let it go much longer than that, you'll need more preparation work, and 'prep' is the hardest part of the job! They don't have to do nothing. "In words which end in a conjunct consonant + inherent vowel, the inherent vowel is always pronounced o. Only remembered hickory dickory. It makes perfect sense to me in a kind of Yogi Berra way. It means more like "and stuff like that." Q. OK, then how do Finns begin a joke? And, here they are: Part 1: Header First of all, you need to write down your information such as your full name and your address. For example, whether ফ is ‘f’ or ‘ph’.”. A. How do Swedes begin a joke? same in Hindi), proyojone= necessary, korben na = "you will not do" as a polite imperative, and ghurafera is more interesting. He would probably reply: "I am doing nothing." Not to mention that viewers turned up in hordes, everytime a Feluda film released. He was independently wealthy (owner of the historic Homestead Hotel in Virginia [see below for more details]). Also Nepali has that repetition but it lacks the disparaging connotations of Yiddish. [LATE UPDATE 1/21/14:  Two native speakers disagree with this explanation of ghuraphera. I ask him if he can give me some idea what kind of look he's hoping for, so I can do some 'prep' in advance. A H.S. Contextual translation of "too many to mention" into Tagalog. 'Do not loiter' and 'no trespassing' both are blunt and seem to imply a miscreancy. @Victor: That may well be. Now, to tackle the Bengali. Having asked many people to explain it, none of whom could, it still doesn't unravel satisfactorily in my mind. – Waiting for a friend As mentioned, phera here is a completely different independent word, with a meaning of its own. The native idiom, however, would be (Main) aise hi baitha hun ("I'm just seated like this." Septentrionalis 03:01, 7 May 2006 (UTC) ! http://www.geetabitan.com/lyrics/P/phule-phule-dhole-dhole.html (The lyrics,for those who are interested). When grading student papers, I have often wished English could do this, particularly with the verb "to write.". Q. The lawyer in me quibbles with Victor's aside about the mandatory always being softer than the prohibitory. Bengali like other Indic scripts is an abugida, each consonant symbol having an inherent vowel. Although certainly can often be transliterated [a] because the inherent vowel corresponds to such in other Indic languages, as mentioned earlier. I consider myself a Bengali. Filed by Victor Mair under Alphabets, Found in translation, Lost in translation, Transcription. Would anyone be bold enough as to give some observations on the colloquial language with respect to a "standard"? On a lighter note, there is a common joke among Hindi speakers that builds upon this phenomenon: it says that you can produce a passable imitation of Bengali by substituting all instances of the schwa in normal Hindi speech with /o/. Now all your 'prep' work is done, and you can show off. Grotesque definition is - a style of decorative art characterized by fanciful or fantastic human and animal forms often interwoven with foliage or similar figures that may distort the natural into absurdity, ugliness, or caricature. Twenty-four friends joined the cooking party, during which they donned aprons and tested their skills at kitchen 'prep' work for a four-course Chinese dinner. – Eating It's funny that y'all have got such a joke about Bengali speakers, given that we have the opposite – the joke among Bengali speakers is that you can fake Hindi by substituting the inherent vowel with /ə/ and adding "hai" at the end of the sentence (Bengali has for the most part no present copula, but Hindi does). The Bengali mindset would seem to take for granted that people would be busy and actively accomplishing tasks (ghura) and not doing nothing, so rather than asking them to not just twiddle their thumbs there, they are saying, don't be busy here. Isn't the orthography unambiguous about which is which? "you can fake Hindi by substituting the inherent vowel with /ə/ and adding "hai" at the end of the sentence (Bengali has for the most part no present copula, but Hindi does)." @Julie lee: no failure of logic or grammar (but the grammar in question is non-standard, though widespread). Regarding Leopold Eisenlohr's explanation of "Ghuraphera": Shower is chaan, so chaan-taan is "showering and doing all the other bathroom stuff like shaving etc;" packing-tacking means "packing and all the other stuff you do when you're getting ready to go on a trip. So this suggests that Canadian English is much more closely related to Hindi than we realised, eh? “But I suspect that the differences in some cases may be due to dialectal and even idiolectal variation. Telling people not to do nothing is not the same as telling them to do something. I’ve lived in Kolkata atleast for the first 20 years of my life. Seriously, you need to trust this person to get you the right car, 'prep' it and make sure it's all ready in time when you expect it. This will be my last quiet week at work before the February students return and the new 'prep' students start. The 'Bengali problem' had already arisen in 1947, when the ruling elite found it hard to digest Bengali majority. Phonetically, the /b/s are [b~β] while the /pʰ/s are [pʰ~ɸ]. @David Fried: I've heard similar constructions in Persian. Your 'prep' work is done a day in advance, and all in under 15 minutes - and that long only if you're slow with the chopping. Awesome, thanks! Human translations with examples: beg gang, hindi pa kasali, maraming nabanggit, maraming nag tangka. Why not enrich the English dictionary with some Bengali? She gives me another nod, of considered acceptance, and I chalk up a score for advance 'prep' . Ghura means to go around, spin around, as you would say for somebody running errands all over the neighborhood or something. I was thinking of echoes where only the first consonant is changed. (Coming from another native speaker): This page was proposed for deletion by an editor in the past. 3: and probably most Indian languages, but I can only speak personally for these two, The English version has a kind of exotic-quaint charm. Needless to say, my Bengali speaking fans are not amongst its biggest fans. 3. Perhaps this is due to the fact that there is no normative or standard transliteration for Bengali in English (I … It is not exactly the same in Persian, but might be close to a sentence which you might find in some shops in Iran (not very common recently; old usage). Here is Murshid’s email contact: ghulammurshid@aol.com . To another European friend also, whose name I am not permitted to mention, I am much indebted. [Thanks to George Cardona, Leopold Eisenlohr, Prasenjit Dey, Tansen Sen, Saroj Kumar Chaudhuri, Sunny Jhutti / Singh, Abdullah Mahmud, Philip Lutgendorf, and Fred Smith]. The 4th and 8th lines are truncated–instead of long-short-short-long-short-short they're long-short-short-long. One: cultural terms like abhisar and abhiman, used to such rich effect in … Ingalls' son, incidentally, is Daniel H. H. Ingalls, Jr., a famous computer programmer; very different kind of work from that of his father! This is delightful! Also, razzle dazzle. Oh, I see that David Fried and others have already pointed this out. The Bengali version actually helps it because it orients the anglophone reader that the humor is probably uninentional. Bengali speaker here. It's hard to tell the difference in pronunciation between all three, since there's no real length difference. "Anybody can be a baby face, what we call a clean wrestler. Also, @michael farris: I'm not sure why you assume the humour is probably unintentional; I assure you Bengalis are quite capable of making this kind of joke in English. First of all, I was surprised by the variety of transliterations (not to mention translations) that I received from native Bengali speakers and Indologists. There was this Norwegian…. And then, you need to mention the recipient’s name. The other translations sound like awkward paraphrases of the perfect way of this pithy saying. And then, you need to mention the recipient’s name. Synonym Discussion of grotesque. Why not enrich the English dictionary with some Bengali? As in "why is a cheese sandwich better than eternal bliss? In English, there's also helter skelter, holy moley, itsy bitsy, teensy weensy, hotsy totsy, hurly burly…. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_H._H._Ingalls,_Sr. faculty at Rajshahi U., now resident in London a few decades already, about his and his team’s new diachronic dictionary. 1: ignoring <ঋ>, which is traditionally considered a vowel but is pronounced /ɾi/, the diphthongs <ঐ> and <ঔ>, and <ৠ>, <ঌ>, and <ৡ>, which don’t exist outside the abecedary. (By a native speaker of Bengali): Ghuraphera is not exactly analogous to the "echo word" "chan tan". Thus the word for hot is pronounced 'gɔrom', not 'gorɔm'. Are there archaic constructions preserved in colloquial speech that an average person would not be expected to know (maybe something like how some people don't realize the phrase "til death do us part" means "until death parts us" using an old subjunctive form of "do")? The grapheme স donto shô "dental s", however, does retain the voiceless alveolar fricative [s] sound when used as the first component in certain consonant conjuncts as in স্খলন [skʰɔlon] "fall", স্পন্দন [spɔndon] "beat", etc. Also, @Naid Ahmed,that is just one of the problems students face in Bengali spelling. Bengali is the sixth most-spoken language in the world, with nearly a quarter of a billion speakers. And then, you need to mention the recipient’s name. @Victor Mair,Professor Ingalls' example reminds me of the term "neti,neti"(not this,not this) used by Vedantins of Sankara's school. I can see how that would be implied, but it's interesting that (in a culturo-linguistic way) we alngo-speakers almost need to the word "here" or it would sound more like a proverb than a prohibition. the lasagne I usually make takes an hour of cooking time, not to mention the 'prep'. Thanks for the correction. Bum: "I'm not doin' nothin' here.". They are looking for volunteers to help 'prep' the store and run the membership table. A copy of this dictionary will be presented to the PM tomorrow, and I came to Bangladesh on Wednesday to do it, in a ceremony (organised by the Bangla Academy). Would be grateful if any person knowing Bengali can do it for everybody's benefit. (I'm not sure why no one's acknowledged Mr. Chakrabarti's correction so far, since he says he is a native speaker as well.). My (completely amateur) impression is that this is something like the schwa-deletion in Hindi, and as in that case, there are no simple rules for deciding when to use any one of the options (I have a suspicion the precise choices might also depend upon which dialect of Bangla is being spoken). I think it's gone now, but for some years there was a sign on a certain door in the Health Sciences complex of my university which said: "if you aren't going here Regarding the construction with a word repeated with a different starting consonant, what about hanky panky? I will give several of the transliterations for the sake of comparison. The states four neighbouring West Bengal are Bihar (where the majority of people speak Maithili, Angika, Magadhi or Bhojpuri as their native language), Jharkhand (where they speak Hindi, Maithili and Santali), Odisha (where they speak Oria) and Sikkim (where they speak Sikkimese and Lepcha). pʃi : cat, pʃi-mʃi : stupid cats! to 'prep' for his role he trimmed his unruly locks. In Sanskrit the default vowel is a short a (schwa) but in Bengali it's o most of the time. Please transliterate and translate توقف بیجا مانع کسب است. 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